Bava Metzia 76

Chapter 76

א למאי חזו שמן חזי לגלדאי דבש לכתישא דגמלי
1 for what is it fit?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That R. Meir rules that it is sold. ');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ב וחכ"א עושה להם תקנה ומוכרן בב"ד מאי תקנתא עביד להו אמר רב אשי לקנקנים
2 — Oil is of use to leather merchants;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To make the leather supple. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ג במאי קא מיפלגי דמר סבר להפסד מרובה חששו להפסד מועט לא חששו ומר סבר אפילו להפסד מועט נמי חששו:
3 honey, for the soreness of camels.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To rub the sore spots on the camel's back, caused by the chafing of the saddle. ');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ד רשב"ג אומר ימכרם בבית דין מפני שהוא כמשיב אבידה לבעלים: אתמר רבי אבא ברבי יעקב א"ר יוחנן הלכה כר"ש ב"ג ורבא אמר רב נחמן הלכה כדברי חכמים
4 'But the Sages maintain, he must effect a remedy for them by selling them on the instructions of the court.' But what remedy does he effect?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Since deterioration, in the case of oil and honey, does not go further, whilst its value has already dropped, how is the matter remedied by the sale? ');"><sup>4</sup></span>
ה והא אמרה ר' יוחנן חדא זמנא דאמר רבה בר בר חנה א"ר יוחנן כל מקום ששנה רבן שמעון בן גמליאל במשנתינו הלכה כמותו חוץ מערב וצידן וראיה אחרונה
5 — Said R. Ashi: In respect of the gourds.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' In which they are contained. These at least are saved, whereas if the honey or oil is kept therein they too are affected. ');"><sup>5</sup></span>
ו אמוראי נינהו ואליבא דר' יוחנן
6 Wherein do they differ?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Sc. R. Meir and the Rabbis, since on the present hypothesis R. Meir agrees that produce must be sold if the deterioration exceeds normal. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ז מדרבן שמעון בן גמליאל נשמע דמורידין קרוב לנכסי שבוי מדרבנן נשמע דאין מורידין קרוב לנכסי שבוי
7 — One master holds, We care about a great loss, but not about a small one;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Therefore when produce suffers its normal decrease, or oil and honey become rancid, and only their containers can be saved — in both cases a small loss — they must not be sold. ');"><sup>7</sup></span>
ח וממאי דלמא עד כאן לא קאמר רבן שמעון בן גמליאל הכא אלא משום דקא כליא קרנא אבל התם הכי נמי דאין מורידין ועד כאן לא קאמרי רבנן הכא אלא אי כרב כהנא אי כרב נחמן בר יצחק אבל התם הכי נמי דמורידין
8 whilst the other master [sc. the Rabbis] holds that we care even for a small loss.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' To prevent it if possible. ');"><sup>8</sup></span>
ט למימרא דתרי טעמי נינהו והאמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל הלכה כרבן שמעון ב"ג ואמר שמואל מורידין קרוב לנכסי שבוי לאו משום דחד טעמא הוא לא תרי טעמי נינהו
9 R. SIMEON B. GAMALIEL SAID: HE MUST SELL IT BY ORDER OF THE COURT, BECAUSE IT IS LIKE RETURNING LOST PROPERTY TO ITS OWNER. It has been stated: R. Abba son of R. Jacob said in R. Johanan's name: The <i>halachah</i> agrees with the Sages. But R. Johanan has already said that once. For Rabbah b. Bar Hana said in R. Johanan's name: Wherever R. Gamaliel taught in our Mishnah, the <i>halachah</i> agrees with him, excepting in respect to 'Surety', 'Zidon', 'And the second [ruling] on Proof'!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' 'Surety', v. B.B. 173b; 'Zidon', v. Git. 74a; 'Second (ruling) on Proof', Sanh. 31a. Thus R. Johanan had already stated that in all cases, excepting these three, the halachah is as R. Simeon b. Gamaliel: why then state it again specifically in respect of our Mishnah? ');"><sup>9</sup></span>
י הכי נמי מסתברא דאמר רבא אמר רב נחמן הלכה כדברי חכמים ואמר רב נחמן מורידין קרוב לנכסי שבוי אלא ש"מ תרי טעמי נינהו שמע מינה
10 — There is a dispute of Amoraim on R. Johanan's views.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Rabbah b. Bar Hana held that he had stated a general rule, whilst R. Abba son of R. Jacob disputed it. ');"><sup>10</sup></span>
יא אתמר שבוי שנשבה רב אמר אין מורידין קרוב לנכסיו שמואל אמר מורידין קרוב לנכסיו
11 Now from R. Simeon b. Gamaliel we may deduce that a relative is authorised to enter upon a captive's estate; whilst from the Rabbis we may infer that a relative is not permitted to enter upon a captive's estate.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' If a man is taken captive, leaving his estate untended, it is disputed below whether a relative, sc. his next of kin, may take temporary possession of it, so as to save it from loss. Now, since R. Simeon b. Gamaliel holds that produce may be sold by the bailee to save it from loss, by the same reasoning the next of kin is permitted to enter a captive's estate, the Rabbis holding the reverse. ');"><sup>11</sup></span>
יב בששמעו בו שמת כ"ע לא פליגי דמורידין
12 How so? Perhaps R. Simeon b. Gamaliel ruled thus only in this case, since the stock itself is consumed, but there he too may hold that we do not authorise possession.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The produce may entirely rot away, but real estate, even if it suffers loss through neglect, can never be destroyed entirely. ');"><sup>12</sup></span>
יג כי פליגי בשלא שמעו בו שמת רב אמר אין מורידין דלמא מפסיד להו ושמואל אמר מורידין כיון דאמר מר שיימינן להו כאריס לא מפסיד להו
13 Whilst [on the other hand] the Rabbis rule thus only here, in accordance with either R. Kahana['s reason] or R. Nahman b. Isaac['s]; but there, it may indeed be that entry is permitted. Are we to say that these are two opinions [independent of each other]? But Rab Judah said in Samuel's name: The <i>halachah</i> agrees with R. Simeon b. Gamaliel; whilst Samuel ruled; A relative is permitted to enter upon a captive's estate. Surely that is because it is one ruling?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the two cases are interdependent. ');"><sup>13</sup></span>
יד מיתיבי ר"א אומר ממשמע שנאמר (שמות כב, כג) וחרה אפי והרגתי אתכם יודע אני שנשותיהם אלמנות ובניהם יתומים אלא מה ת"ל והיו נשיכם וגו'
14 — No. They are two rulings.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Samuel's two views being coincidental. ');"><sup>14</sup></span>
טו מלמד שנשותיהם מבקשות לינשא ואין מניחין אותן ובניהן רוצים לירד לנכסי אביהן ואין מניחין אותן אמר רבא לירד ולמכור תנן
15 Reason too supports this. For Raba said in R. Nahman's name: The <i>halachah</i> agrees with the Sages; nevertheless R. Nahman ruled: A relative is authorised to enter a captive's estate. Hence this proves that they are two different rulings. This proves it.
טז הוה עובדא בנהרדעא ופשטה רב ששת מהא מתני' א"ל רב עמרם דלמא לירד ולמכור תנן א"ל דלמא מפומבדיתא את דמעיילין פילא בקופא דמחטא והא דומיא דנשותיהם [ובניהם] קתני מה התם כלל לא אף הכא נמי כלל לא
16 It has been stated: If a man is taken captive, Rab said: His next of kin is not authorised to enter upon his estate; Samuel said: His next of kin is authorised to enter into his estate. Now, if it was heard that he was dead, all agree that he is authorised to enter.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Tosaf.: 'heard' means that there was a rumour substantiated by one witness only. — Now, if the rumour is proved false, the owner returning before the usufruct of the estate has been enjoyed by the next of kin, the latter receives pay as a farmer-tenant, aris (v. Glos.); whilst if the rumour is true, he is the heir. Hence he may enter, and there is nothing to fear. ');"><sup>15</sup></span>
יז ומורידין קרוב לנכסי שבוי תנאי היא דתניא היורד לנכסי שבוי אין מוציאין אותו מידו ולא עוד אלא אפי' שמע שממשמשין ובאין וקדם ותלש ואכל הרי זה זריז ונשכר ואלו הן נכסי שבויין הרי שהיה אביו או אחיו או אחד מן המורישין הלכו להם למדינת הים ושמעו בהן שמת
17 They differ where it was not heard that he had died: Rab said: We do not authorise him to enter, lest he cause them [the estates] to deteriorate;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thinking that the owner may return, he will only be anxious to get as much out of the land as possible, neglecting to fertilise it and so exhausting the soil. ');"><sup>16</sup></span>
יח היורד לנכסי נטושים מוציאין אותו מידו ואלו הן נכסי נטושים הרי שהיה אביו או אחיו או אחד מן המורישין הלכו להם למדינת הים ולא שמעו בהם שמת ואמר רבן שמעון בן גמליאל שמעתי שהנטושים כשבויין
18 but Samuel said: We authorise him to take possession, for since a Master said, 'We value it for them as for an aris',<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Should the owner return, the relative is given a share in the produce as though he were an aris. ');"><sup>17</sup></span>
יט היורד לנכסי רטושים מוציאין אותו מידו ואלו הן נכסי רטושים הרי שהיה אביו או אחיו או אחד מן המורישין כאן ואינו יודע להיכן הלכו
19 he will not permit deterioration.
כ מאי שנא הנך דקרו להו נטושים ומאי שנא הני דקרו להו רטושים
20 An objection is raised: R. Eliezer said: From the implication of the verse, And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ex. XXII, 23. ');"><sup>18</sup></span> I know that their wives shall be widows and their children fatherless; why then is it stated, and your wives shall be [widows, and your children fatherless]?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. ');"><sup>19</sup></span> This teaches that their wives will seek to remarry and not be permitted, and their children desire to enter upon their father's estate and not be allowed!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Thus they will remain permanently widows and fatherless (in the sense that they cannot set up their own estate). This condition can come about when the fathers are taken captive and their death is not proved, R. Eliezer's dictum shows that in such a case the children are not permitted to enter their father's estate. ');"><sup>20</sup></span> — Said Raba: What we learnt<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [Render with MS.M.: '(What is meant is that&nbsp;…) to take, etc.,' deleting 'What we learnt,' as this citation is not a Mishnah.] ');"><sup>21</sup></span> is [that they are not permitted] to take possession and sell.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' But they are permitted to take possession. ');"><sup>22</sup></span> Now, this happened in Nehardea, and R. Shesheth decided the matter by reference to this Baraitha.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That the heir should not enter the captive's estate. ');"><sup>23</sup></span> Said R. Amram to him: But perhaps what we learnt<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [Or, 'What was meant was&nbsp;…' cf. p. 232, n. 9.] ');"><sup>24</sup></span> was, to enter and sell? — Perhaps you are from Pumbeditha, he retorted, where they draw an elephant through the eye of a needle.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The scholars of the Pumbeditha academy were extremely subtle. ');"><sup>25</sup></span> For these are<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The children who are not permitted to enter upon their father's estate. ');"><sup>26</sup></span> taught side by side with [the widowhood of] the wives: just as these are not permitted to [remarry] at all, so here too, they [sc. the heirs] are not [allowed to take possession] at all. Now, whether the next of kin is permitted to enter upon a captive's estate is disputed by Tannaim. For it has been taught: If one enters upon a captive's estate, he is not ejected thence.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lit., 'we do not withdraw it from his hand.' ');"><sup>27</sup></span> Moreover, even if he [the heir] heard that they [the owners] were making ready to come [to reclaim the land], and he anticipated it by reaping and consuming [the produce], he is a zealous man who profits thereby.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., his action is not blameworthy. ');"><sup>28</sup></span> Now, the following are [included in the term], a 'captive's estates': If one's father, brother, or one of his legators went overseas, and it was reported that he had died.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' V. p. 232. n. 3. ');"><sup>29</sup></span> If a man enters into abandoned estate, he is ejected therefrom. And the following are abandoned<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [H]. ');"><sup>30</sup></span> estates: If one's father, brother, or one of his legators went overseas, and it was not reported that he had died. R. Simeon b. Gamaliel observed: I have heard that abandoned are as captive['s estates].<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Viz., that the heirs are not ejected. ');"><sup>31</sup></span> If a man enters into forsaken property<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' [H]; the Gemara states below that this implies voluntary abandonment. ');"><sup>32</sup></span> he is ejected thence. And the following are forsaken estates: If one's father, brother, or one of his legators is here [sc. in the country], but it is not known whither he has gone. Now, wherein do the former differ [from the latter], that the former are designated 'abandoned,' and the latter 'forsaken'?